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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6778</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can both Source AND Destination be external, or does one have to be in home directory/interbal? I&#039;ve got an external drive of &gt;1TB and I&#039;d like to sync its backup to it.

Thanks,

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can both Source AND Destination be external, or does one have to be in home directory/interbal? I&#8217;ve got an external drive of &gt;1TB and I&#8217;d like to sync its backup to it.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Time Machine sucks, use rsync instead &#171; Brian Windheim</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6773</link>
		<dc:creator>Time Machine sucks, use rsync instead &#171; Brian Windheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] won&#039;t go into too much detail on rsync usage (some resources that might help: 1, 2, 3), but here&#039;s how I backup an entire external volume using [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Online Backups Over Google Fiber: Crashplan or Backblaze?</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6762</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Backups Over Google Fiber: Crashplan or Backblaze?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for a flat monthly rate. (Given my backup size, I want to avoid paying a per-gigabyte price.) I use rsync to back up my live files to a 2TB backup drive that I then want to mirror to an online backup. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for a flat monthly rate. (Given my backup size, I want to avoid paying a per-gigabyte price.) I use rsync to back up my live files to a 2TB backup drive that I then want to mirror to an online backup. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6683</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do so many say it&#039;s silly to backup a hard disk to another portion of the same hard disk?  For me, one HUGE value of backing up (with whatever method, but preferably with some form of history) is to get an earlier version of a file I messed up.  In fact, that&#039;s the only reason I&#039;ve ever actually used a backup in practice (I admit: I&#039;ve been lucky).  OK, it WOULD be silly to not ALSO backup to an external drive for protection against the drive crash scenario...  It does happen, I know.  And I will do that too.  Just don&#039;t discount the value of a simple historical copy of the work you do as part of everyday workflow.

For the curious: I use TM to backup up my SSD drive to the internal HD on my iMac.  In addition, I use a sym link from my desktop to a &quot;working&quot; directory on the HD (I don&#039;t want my every day files to start filling up the SSD), and hoped that TM would back up that working directory too.  Not surprising, but unfortunate:  it faithfully backed up the sym link, but that&#039;s it -- meaning that the TM backup process doesn&#039;t FOLLOW the sym link and backup the files &amp; directories it finds there.  (Of course, I can&#039;t use a hard link since it&#039;s across file systems.)  So an rsync solution such as described here is something I&#039;m considering for that &quot;working&quot; directory.  

Similarly, I&#039;ll probably develop an rsync solution to fully backup the HD to an external device, for that rare day when the HD decides to croak.  Yes, I could use TM itself, manually switching it from the SSD to work instead with the HD, then switching back after its done (yuck) -- or fool with the TM plist to do the switching.  Much to do, much to learn....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do so many say it&#8217;s silly to backup a hard disk to another portion of the same hard disk?  For me, one HUGE value of backing up (with whatever method, but preferably with some form of history) is to get an earlier version of a file I messed up.  In fact, that&#8217;s the only reason I&#8217;ve ever actually used a backup in practice (I admit: I&#8217;ve been lucky).  OK, it WOULD be silly to not ALSO backup to an external drive for protection against the drive crash scenario&#8230;  It does happen, I know.  And I will do that too.  Just don&#8217;t discount the value of a simple historical copy of the work you do as part of everyday workflow.</p>
<p>For the curious: I use TM to backup up my SSD drive to the internal HD on my iMac.  In addition, I use a sym link from my desktop to a &#8220;working&#8221; directory on the HD (I don&#8217;t want my every day files to start filling up the SSD), and hoped that TM would back up that working directory too.  Not surprising, but unfortunate:  it faithfully backed up the sym link, but that&#8217;s it &#8212; meaning that the TM backup process doesn&#8217;t FOLLOW the sym link and backup the files &amp; directories it finds there.  (Of course, I can&#8217;t use a hard link since it&#8217;s across file systems.)  So an rsync solution such as described here is something I&#8217;m considering for that &#8220;working&#8221; directory.  </p>
<p>Similarly, I&#8217;ll probably develop an rsync solution to fully backup the HD to an external device, for that rare day when the HD decides to croak.  Yes, I could use TM itself, manually switching it from the SSD to work instead with the HD, then switching back after its done (yuck) &#8212; or fool with the TM plist to do the switching.  Much to do, much to learn&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6627</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to get a seperate external hard drive that can only be used for Time Machine
-&gt; Wrong! You can backup to a partition on your internal harddisk if you want. (Would be stupid, but it IS possible) Also, the same goes for EVERY other backup program. Also, the disk is NOT exclusive for Time Machine. It&#039;s just a drive with files and you can add/edit/delete files all you want.

(and has to be formatted first)
-&gt; Depends; I ALWAYS buy Western Digital drives in the Studio range; preformatted for mac. My choice. If you choose another; formatting takes about 3 minutes.

That drive has to be formatted in HFS+, hence, without any (commercial) third-party plugins it’s not readable on Windows or Linux systems
-&gt; We&#039;re backing up a Mac, what&#039;s wrong with using a Mac file system? Second; the better linux distros can read HFS+ without any trouble. It&#039;s Windows that sucks big time.

You have to leave your drive on all the time to make sure Time Machine makes backups
-&gt; Well, I&#039;d like you to show me ANY ONE backup that can backup to a disk that is not on. 

You can’t make a list of things you want to have backed up, you can only exclude folders from your complete hard disk
-&gt; Which serves it&#039;s purpose very well; that way you cant forget to include newly created files/folders. 

Time Machine makes an exact copy of your hard drive
-&gt; As opposed to ..... what, exactly? What is wrong with having a full copy of your drive? I don&#039;t want to spend hours reinstalling my OS, then my Apps and then my files after a crash. I used to have to do that with WIndows and I&#039;m sick and tired of that. With Time Machine, i place a new drive, boot from the OS CD and recover my drive. Easy as that.


I really like your approach with rSync, but your reasoning is flawed.


@Anonymous #16; As a new Apple user – this is another example of an OS not allowing it’s users any flexibility.
-&gt; OSX _IS_ giving it&#039;s users all the flexibility it can give; Use Time Machine for a full backup with revisioning, or use rSync (shipped with it) for the more complex tasks. Compared to windows; no backup software to speak of, no revisioning, no rsync.
On a Mac, there is NO reason whatsoever to not backing up your harddisk. On Windows there is, well, windows IS the biggest reason but that&#039;s beyond the scope of this topic.

@Kranki #8
I do not share your (bad) experience with Time Machine. I&#039;ve restored not many machines but a few and all of them restored without any problem whatsoever (including our mac mini server that lost a drive due to a power outage)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to get a seperate external hard drive that can only be used for Time Machine<br />
-&gt; Wrong! You can backup to a partition on your internal harddisk if you want. (Would be stupid, but it IS possible) Also, the same goes for EVERY other backup program. Also, the disk is NOT exclusive for Time Machine. It&#8217;s just a drive with files and you can add/edit/delete files all you want.</p>
<p>(and has to be formatted first)<br />
-&gt; Depends; I ALWAYS buy Western Digital drives in the Studio range; preformatted for mac. My choice. If you choose another; formatting takes about 3 minutes.</p>
<p>That drive has to be formatted in HFS+, hence, without any (commercial) third-party plugins it’s not readable on Windows or Linux systems<br />
-&gt; We&#8217;re backing up a Mac, what&#8217;s wrong with using a Mac file system? Second; the better linux distros can read HFS+ without any trouble. It&#8217;s Windows that sucks big time.</p>
<p>You have to leave your drive on all the time to make sure Time Machine makes backups<br />
-&gt; Well, I&#8217;d like you to show me ANY ONE backup that can backup to a disk that is not on. </p>
<p>You can’t make a list of things you want to have backed up, you can only exclude folders from your complete hard disk<br />
-&gt; Which serves it&#8217;s purpose very well; that way you cant forget to include newly created files/folders. </p>
<p>Time Machine makes an exact copy of your hard drive<br />
-&gt; As opposed to &#8230;.. what, exactly? What is wrong with having a full copy of your drive? I don&#8217;t want to spend hours reinstalling my OS, then my Apps and then my files after a crash. I used to have to do that with WIndows and I&#8217;m sick and tired of that. With Time Machine, i place a new drive, boot from the OS CD and recover my drive. Easy as that.</p>
<p>I really like your approach with rSync, but your reasoning is flawed.</p>
<p>@Anonymous #16; As a new Apple user – this is another example of an OS not allowing it’s users any flexibility.<br />
-&gt; OSX _IS_ giving it&#8217;s users all the flexibility it can give; Use Time Machine for a full backup with revisioning, or use rSync (shipped with it) for the more complex tasks. Compared to windows; no backup software to speak of, no revisioning, no rsync.<br />
On a Mac, there is NO reason whatsoever to not backing up your harddisk. On Windows there is, well, windows IS the biggest reason but that&#8217;s beyond the scope of this topic.</p>
<p>@Kranki #8<br />
I do not share your (bad) experience with Time Machine. I&#8217;ve restored not many machines but a few and all of them restored without any problem whatsoever (including our mac mini server that lost a drive due to a power outage)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6626</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TimeMachineEditor lets you adjust the interval that TimeMachine backs up at.  http://timesoftware.free.fr/timemachineeditor/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TimeMachineEditor lets you adjust the interval that TimeMachine backs up at.  <a href="http://timesoftware.free.fr/timemachineeditor/" rel="nofollow">http://timesoftware.free.fr/timemachineeditor/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a new Apple user - this is another example of an OS not allowing it&#039;s users any flexibility.

Backup via Time Machine  could be useful if it was written in such a way as to allow the user to choose what is backed up and schedule it accordingly.

I know, Apple people will bleat loudly, but the OS has some significant drawbacks for users that know what the are doing and,  don&#039;t want be nannied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a new Apple user &#8211; this is another example of an OS not allowing it&#8217;s users any flexibility.</p>
<p>Backup via Time Machine  could be useful if it was written in such a way as to allow the user to choose what is backed up and schedule it accordingly.</p>
<p>I know, Apple people will bleat loudly, but the OS has some significant drawbacks for users that know what the are doing and,  don&#8217;t want be nannied.</p>
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		<title>By: Dov</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6562</link>
		<dc:creator>Dov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 05:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FAT32 can handle drive up to 16 TB, the 4GB limit is imposed in Microsofts Format command which artificially limits the ability to create large volumes.

This seems originally  to be a move to force people to upgrade from Win98 to win2000 and NTFS if they want large disk support. Most external hardrives are formatted as FAT32 using the manufacturers own version of a formatting tool with no 4GB limits at all

There are utilities that will format a FAT32 volume in excess of 4GB that can be found with a simple web search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FAT32 can handle drive up to 16 TB, the 4GB limit is imposed in Microsofts Format command which artificially limits the ability to create large volumes.</p>
<p>This seems originally  to be a move to force people to upgrade from Win98 to win2000 and NTFS if they want large disk support. Most external hardrives are formatted as FAT32 using the manufacturers own version of a formatting tool with no 4GB limits at all</p>
<p>There are utilities that will format a FAT32 volume in excess of 4GB that can be found with a simple web search</p>
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		<title>By: Mr MArk</title>
		<link>http://www.haykranen.nl/2008/05/05/rsync/comment-page-1/#comment-6421</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr MArk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys,

Just thought you should know the RSYNC that shops with osx does NOT backup OSX File Metadata efficiently!

This sucks. Read this for more info..

http://www.bombich.com/mactips/rsync.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys,</p>
<p>Just thought you should know the RSYNC that shops with osx does NOT backup OSX File Metadata efficiently!</p>
<p>This sucks. Read this for more info..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bombich.com/mactips/rsync.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bombich.com/mactips/rsync.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WeaselSpleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeaselSpleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, Time Machine is MY girlfriend, you best step back son.
Nobody treats her betta than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, Time Machine is MY girlfriend, you best step back son.<br />
Nobody treats her betta than me.</p>
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